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Auto Black Boxes: Will They Invade Your Privacy?

The Wall Street Journal -- If you thought having EZ Pass in your car would make it too easy for the government to track you, you ain’t seen nothing yet.

The Senate passed a bill in March that calls for “mandatory event data recorders” (or black boxes) to be installed in all new passenger motor vehicles, starting with the 2015 models, and which would record data before, during or after a crash, according to KurzweilAI.net.

The bill, which can be seen here, has a privacy provision but gives the government the authority to access the black box in a number of circumstances, including court order, consent of the owner, an investigation or inspection, or to determine the need for emergency responses.

If you thought having EZ Pass in your car would make it too easy for the government to track you, you ain’t seen nothing

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Submitted Apr 24, 2012 By: angel4me

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davenles Champion Author Texas Posts:3,181 Points:715,635 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 11:13:27 PM Ignore davenles Report Abuse Do you feel it slipping away? It use to be called freedom.
mgune9 All-Star Author Dallas Posts:914 Points:200,395 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 11:12:49 PM Ignore mgune9 Report Abuse of course they will - after all we are very very close to centralized auto industry - why not tell them to do that -- good for us "right"
ejl2000 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:1,252 Points:580,935 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 11:12:46 PM Ignore ejl2000 Report Abuse Total Crap!!!!!!
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tippybuddy Champion Author Ontario Posts:1,523 Points:207,740 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 11:04:57 PM Ignore tippybuddy Report Abuse I'm not sure that is a good idea but maybe it could help
REKEY Champion Author South Carolina Posts:8,559 Points:1,695,415 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 11:04:55 PM Ignore REKEY Report Abuse We have privacy?
30mpg80 Champion Author Lexington Posts:10,003 Points:1,484,930 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 11:00:00 PM Ignore 30mpg80 Report Abuse Watching you 24/7
vibdata Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:4,079 Points:847,350 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 10:58:58 PM Ignore vibdata Report Abuse Creeping, Crawling Commercialism. That used to be the old buzzphrase. Now it's CORRUPTION, CRISIS, and SURVEILLANCE. And damned be those who oppose.
OGW Champion Author London Posts:5,324 Points:1,529,650 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 10:58:22 PM Ignore OGW Report Abuse If you are driving a late model GM, they are already doing it. They can also do good to clear you of liability in an accident.
dancygreen Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,048 Points:482,835 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 10:52:56 PM Ignore dancygreen Report Abuse black boxes in cars, no habeus corpus, gitmo- moving pretty quickly towards martial law- which means no election, too
5kvdave All-Star Author Los Angeles Posts:688 Points:350,000 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 10:52:06 PM Ignore 5kvdave Report Abuse And they said that will never happen.
Chris46 Champion Author Dayton Posts:23,636 Points:2,078,335 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 10:46:13 PM Ignore Chris46 Report Abuse So, the way I see it, it will take 30-40 years to get all the older cars off the roads that don't have black boxes installed.
donnamarieb333 Veteran Author South Carolina Posts:397 Points:181,340 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 10:44:32 PM Ignore donnamarieb333 Report Abuse passivity is not in your best interest and is not what made this nation great. when did we become too lazy to govern ourselves??? Poem by Martin Niemöller that was said to have been written in 1946. First they came for the..., and I did not speak out - because I was not a...; Then they came for the..., and I did not speak out - because I was not a...; Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me. The government does not know what is best for you. "The Senate passed a bill in March..." Who is profiting in this? Who benefits in the senate for government funding and regulation of this device? Most of the comments here don't seem to be concerned or casually accept that we have no modern right to privacy... SAD vote everybody out of office that wants to take away your right to privacy. in your home, in your car, in your church, etc...
dchiou Champion Author San Jose Posts:2,811 Points:790,490 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 10:43:20 PM Ignore dchiou Report Abuse I'll install if it decreases 75% of my insurance fees.
mrbee Champion Author Little Rock Posts:3,738 Points:2,462,685 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 10:40:39 PM Ignore mrbee Report Abuse No way.
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dbecks44 Champion Author Michigan Posts:1,327 Points:429,180 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 10:37:40 PM Ignore dbecks44 Report Abuse Previous comment is right on. The illusion of privacy is fading, not to mention actual privacy.
clermont40miles Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:10,548 Points:1,768,870 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 10:33:45 PM Ignore clermont40miles Report Abuse Privacy is gone. The illusion is quickly disappearing also. Big Bro knows but doesn't let it be known he knows.
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itsjustme719 All-Star Author Hamilton Posts:611 Points:597,400 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 10:23:39 PM Ignore itsjustme719 Report Abuse How long will it take before insurance companies get access so they can jack up your rates based on how your driving style is?
letmathe Champion Author Chicago Posts:14,306 Points:3,129,995 Joined:May 2001	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 10:21:38 PM Ignore letmathe Report Abuse Of course they will.
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DEG Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:17,605 Points:3,491,680 Joined:Jul 2003	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 10:15:16 PM Ignore DEG Report Abuse The government has become way too big and way too intrusive in the lives of the average American. I do not see that the benefits come anywhere near the level needed to balance privacy concerns.
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gmcgas Champion Author Atlanta Posts:5,937 Points:1,711,145 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 10:09:57 PM Ignore gmcgas Report Abuse going to bad for future generations.
Garyallman Veteran Author Honolulu Posts:308 Points:6,705 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 10:09:31 PM Ignore Garyallman Report Abuse Though it's not a bad thing, it's gonna get harder to break the law as it should be!
Pete12 Champion Author Albany Posts:4,868 Points:1,642,305 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 10:08:21 PM Ignore Pete12 Report Abuse If you do what you are supposed to do you have nothing to worry about.
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Krykson All-Star Author Chicago Posts:840 Points:247,285 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 10:05:45 PM Ignore Krykson Report Abuse Interesting
Garyallman Veteran Author Honolulu Posts:308 Points:6,705 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 10:02:52 PM Ignore Garyallman Report Abuse But don't take my word for it, try speeding on a predetermined stretch of freeway in the same place every day, betcha they getcha with a speed trap in that exact area!
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Garyallman Veteran Author Honolulu Posts:308 Points:6,705 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:59:22 PM Ignore Garyallman Report Abuse So don't speed, or run red lights, they'll getcha!
Garyallman Veteran Author Honolulu Posts:308 Points:6,705 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:57:37 PM Ignore Garyallman Report Abuse Your cell phone tells them how fast you drive, where you frequent, and how far you drive every day.
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min_fuel Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:1,956 Points:722,545 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:55:18 PM Ignore min_fuel Report Abuse Time to dump the mobile phone and drive my 1983 Land Cruiser, no computer at all.
Garyallman Veteran Author Honolulu Posts:308 Points:6,705 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:54:45 PM Ignore Garyallman Report Abuse The problem is tracking you when you don't have your phone on, that's probably why they want to do it!
Garyallman Veteran Author Honolulu Posts:308 Points:6,705 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:52:04 PM Ignore Garyallman Report Abuse Silly citizens! Your every move is already being tracked! If you have a cell phone, you've already been tagged with a GPS transponder! How do you think they get traffic info like finding out how fast traffic is moving on the highways!
limegremlin Champion Author Toronto Posts:13,351 Points:2,807,645 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:51:25 PM Ignore limegremlin Report Abuse It does seem a bit big brotherish to me at this point in time. I don't trust any government agency with personal information no matter how it's obtained.
PizzaMon Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:5,134 Points:1,859,780 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:51:10 PM Ignore PizzaMon Report Abuse And how much will we have to pay to have this extra in our vehicle to invade our privacy?
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HDFXR1991 Veteran Author Wisconsin Posts:469 Points:141,030 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:49:04 PM Ignore HDFXR1991 Report Abuse It is all in the Master Plan to Socialize the US